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When you guys get going in the comments section, under a relatively trivial bit of news-article, I almost feel guilty for breaking the rhetorical flow up.

I like to assure myself that my views on all things BWFC are justified and are accumulated from my personal experiences. Not set-in-stone, exactly, but would take an earthquake of occurrences to deviate such beliefs.

Then I set about reading your comments.

My views on Dougie, the players, the board, the academy, the fans, the performances, the outlook etc can all change and change back within one solitary comments section from you lot. You all give such persuading and hard to argue against cases, I wish Vital Bolton had a room with a camera, so you could gather and discuss and it could be broadcast on the website.

I`d definitely subscribe, even if it was just to put faces to all your usernames…

Anyhoo, not much in the way of news as I can see… So, instead of bringing you some disclosures from the Reebok, I`m going to just kick-back with some chicken soup- I`m still not well- and wait for you starting another riveting thread.

Discuss what you want; I just hope I`ve not put that awkward pressure on you to think of a topic. If you struggle, just carry the last thread on.

So not to completely leave me hanging: Gary Fraser has returned to the Reebok after his loan spell with Partick Thistle came to an end.

The 19-year-old midfielder made a total of four appearances for the SPL club.


I've put our manager's face at the top to stir your emotions.
The Journalist

Writer: Mr Ecky Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday January 6 2014

Time: 2:06PM

Your Comments

Will be interesting to see how quickly Fraser gets involved with the first team, having been out playing competitively and involved with the first team at Partick, albeit in Scotland and having got himself into a bit of bother and with him being cited as one of the reasons why DF chose not to keep Gregus at the club. Looking forward to the Forest game at the weekend. I think they are a good team but they have no strikers and i have seen cruiseliners turn quicker than Halford playing up front for them at the moment. Reid is always a danger, Paterson got a hattrick and Lansbury always seems to do well against us. I think if we can get ahead early and come out as we did against Blackpool then we can get tight and see the game out, if we dont then they can hurt us if we start slowly.
moonpig1
Moonpig- Would you play 4-4-2 away at Forest? Or just at home?
Nucky_Thompson
The comment above queries 4-4-2 against forest. Look at the end of the game Saturday and with Jay Spearing not playing I think its back to 4-5-1 we go. Need two things QUICKLY, a left back and a striker as well. With David N'Gog's "Best is yet to come" and Beckford constantly taped up more than a Ford Cortina, our Deepth comes from Craig Davies who, according to reports, keeps getting injured. Going onto the next round, looks like Mason and McNaughton will be back at the Reebok by the end of the month. Kev McNaughton played against the Arse and was solid. Then played again in the FA Cup in OGS's first game in charge. Sadly there seems to be no room at the inn for Mason. As a fan and looking at the way we have been playing, he is all wrong for Bolton. So please someone else take him before Dougie and Co. do!!!
Antony Haydock
I would play 5 in midfield, the middle of the park is where Forest are strongest and i feel we will need to match them. I would go Lee, Moritz, Danns, Medo, Davies with Beckford up front but i would suspect that Spearing will come back in for Medo. Personally i prefer 1 up front and 5 in Midfield, providing the attacking midfielder gets close to the striker regularly. People will say we shouldnt be worried about the opposition and we should play our game but that was they Coyle way and that didnt work out well. I think the tactics arent far wrong, i just think that too many players dont have the intelligence or nous to carry out the plan...just my opinion...
moonpig1
Totally agree Antony. Mason was poor in every game I saw. Hope he doesn't return. Happy to have McNaughton back though if it happens.
Boltongav
I dont think he was poor, he did have a good touch and good movement but was left isolated by the midfield for long periods in too many games with no support which is the problem when we play 1 up top. Get the midfielders supporting and dominate possession higher up the pitch like we did for long periods against Wigan and Barnsley and it doesnt matter that we have 1 striker on the pitch
moonpig1
I would go along with Moonpig over the Mason critique. I saw a lot of skill and quality in the lad, but he couldn't cope up there alone. For me, it wasn't his type of game. Being marshalled by two beef-cakes all game isn't easy. He needed much more support from the mid-field players to have come out on top. In fact, if I were him, I'm not sure that I would want to come back here, to play in our 'one-up' system. But I do agree that DF will revert to five in mid-field against Forest. I just hope the theory that 'they have no strikers', doesn't come back and bite us on the bum come Saturday!
Barney Grumble
So it's Forest 5 in midfield, with 2 young midfielders against the old cloggers 5. Should be interesting. These teams seem to have more in the locker than us. Still we will wait and see.
Nigel Greenwood
So are you guys saying you want Mason back then? I understand what you are saying about him but I don't agree. Far too lightweight never seemed to find much space, use of the ball was often poor too. It may be our style doesn't suit him but that ain't gonna change unfortunately. I don't understand how he was getting picked over the much better Beckford. (Other than contractual reasons). I like to see players trying to make something happen not ones that people have to make excuses for. I reckon I could have been as ineffective for half the money he gets a week. I wish the lad the best of luck but I hope he doesn't come back. After all we could use the money elsewhere.
Boltongav
Gav, I prefer to think that our style doesn't suit him. He played plenty of matches for Cardiff last season, so he can't be that bad. A hoof up the middle from Zat, isn't really his cup of tea! He might well have been better playing with someone like Feeney, who whips the ball in from the wing. I agree, he is a bit light-weight, but that can be worked on. What I can't fathom is why DF thought he would be a good addition for us, playing with a lone striker. So, like you, I don't see much point in him coming back here at the moment. McNaughton is a different matter entirely. I'd chip in with his rail fare, to get him back and sharpish!
Barney Grumble
He looks like a player for a certain type of style but at the moment we are not playing that type of style. I just said please someone else sign him because he deserves first team football somewhere but we are not the best suit for him.
Antony Haydock
In regards to whether DF is the right man for the job, in all honesty, I think so. I wouldn't say he's a brilliant manager, but he's the best we're going to get. If we were to sack him we'd have two options: 1) Take a risk with a somewhat unproven manager (we kindve did that with Freedman in the first place, although he did do a decent job at Palace) or 2) Get someone controversial who may well do a job but will only be around for a year or so- kindve like Holloway, although I know he's gone to Milwall. I think Dougie knows what he's doing at this level, and with our shocking financial report coming out- he'll be decent with that, having worked with similar constraints at Palace. The players he's brought in are, in my opinion, the right sort of players. The likes of Danns, Feeney and McNaughton are all experienced professionals who know and have played in the league. They had all fallen somewhat down the pecking order at their respective clubs and were hungry to succeed at Bolton, which they did. Danns has returned to the Reebok for the rest of the season, while Feeney and McNaughton seem to have returned to first team action, which is a bit of a shame for us as I'm sure all of us would like to see them back. With Mason, the problem is, he's never had a great record- 15 goals in 67 for Cardiff, and I'm sure he isn't all that hungry. At 22 years of age he's got 10+ years at Championship-ish level. Feeney, McNaughton and Danns are all at crucial points in their career. Feeney is around the prime of his career and NEEDS to be playing first team football if he wants a sustainable next several years in the Championship. Danns and McNaughton both a few years years left- both 31 years old and want first team action. If we can get an experienced Championship left back, so we can have Mills and Ream in the centre, then an experienced right back- maybe McNaughton, depending on how things pan out- we can have Baptiste as a "Sam Ricketts" and Zat Knight can cover as well.
ncbwfc
In regards to whether DF is the right man for the job, in all honesty, I think so. I wouldn't say he's a brilliant manager, but he's the best we're going to get. If we were to sack him we'd have two options: 1) Take a risk with a somewhat unproven manager (we kindve did that with Freedman in the first place, although he did do a decent job at Palace) or 2) Get someone controversial who may well do a job but will only be around for a year or so- kindve like Holloway, although I know he's gone to Milwall. I think Dougie knows what he's doing at this level, and with our shocking financial report coming out- he'll be decent with that, having worked with similar constraints at Palace. The players he's brought in are, in my opinion, the right sort of players. The likes of Danns, Feeney and McNaughton are all experienced professionals who know and have played in the league. They had all fallen somewhat down the pecking order at their respective clubs and were hungry to succeed at Bolton, which they did. Danns has returned to the Reebok for the rest of the season, while Feeney and McNaughton seem to have returned to first team action, which is a bit of a shame for us as I'm sure all of us would like to see them back. With Mason, the problem is, he's never had a great record- 15 goals in 67 for Cardiff, and I'm sure he isn't all that hungry. At 22 years of age he's got 10+ years at Championship-ish level. Feeney, McNaughton and Danns are all at crucial points in their career. Feeney is around the prime of his career and NEEDS to be playing first team football if he wants a sustainable next several years in the Championship. Danns and McNaughton both a few years years left- both 31 years old and want first team action. If we can get an experienced Championship left back, so we can have Mills and Ream in the centre, then an experienced right back- maybe McNaughton, depending on how things pan out- we can have Baptiste as a "Sam Ricketts" and Zat Knight can cover as well.
ncbwfc
In regards to whether DF is the right man for the job, in all honesty, I think so. I wouldn't say he's a brilliant manager, but he's the best we're going to get. If we were to sack him we'd have two options: 1) Take a risk with a somewhat unproven manager (we kindve did that with Freedman in the first place, although he did do a decent job at Palace) or 2) Get someone controversial who may well do a job but will only be around for a year or so- kindve like Holloway, although I know he's gone to Milwall. I think Dougie knows what he's doing at this level, and with our shocking financial report coming out- he'll be decent with that, having worked with similar constraints at Palace. The players he's brought in are, in my opinion, the right sort of players. The likes of Danns, Feeney and McNaughton are all experienced professionals who know and have played in the league. They had all fallen somewhat down the pecking order at their respective clubs and were hungry to succeed at Bolton, which they did. Danns has returned to the Reebok for the rest of the season, while Feeney and McNaughton seem to have returned to first team action, which is a bit of a shame for us as I'm sure all of us would like to see them back. With Mason, the problem is, he's never had a great record- 15 goals in 67 for Cardiff, and I'm sure he isn't all that hungry. At 22 years of age he's got 10+ years at Championship-ish level. Feeney, McNaughton and Danns are all at crucial points in their career. Feeney is around the prime of his career and NEEDS to be playing first team football if he wants a sustainable next several years in the Championship. Danns and McNaughton both a few years years left- both 31 years old and want first team action. If we can get an experienced Championship left back, so we can have Mills and Ream in the centre, then an experienced right back- maybe McNaughton, depending on how things pan out- we can have Baptiste as a "Sam Ricketts" and Zat Knight can cover as well.
ncbwfc
We don't have to take a risk with an unproven manager, we can invite the likes of Malky Mackay to take over immediately. Our problem is, we can't afford to to it right now. But as Mike has so often eloquently reminded us, can we really afford not to!!
Barney Grumble
I am surprised and to a degree saddened to read many of the comments above associated with matters that do not exist, entirely wishful, with very little talk about the things actually happening. Lots said about players no longer at the club, discussion on the style of play, the use of 1 attacker - which might explain why we are so bad at scoring goals, nothing said about our extremely worrying position in the league - is everyone expecting things to suddenly improve ? as if this is a bad illness that we will shrug off and recover from with everything returning to normal ? we are 18th because that is the true reflection of our ability to date under our manager - it could get worse there are no assurances we have hit our lowest level, you don't get second chances - if we screw up this season we will be in a far worse place next season. It amazes me that others refuse to see the hard facts, if DF was a military officer in combat, with the same tactical abilities and decision making skill he displays as a football manager would you risk your life by following his orders - not a chance !
aussie mike
I have never been a fan of zat knight, he is the worst defender I've seen play. Period. I say we drop to a 3-5-2 formation with Baptiste, mills, ream in defence playing a little more central to give mills more support and let our wingers defend into our corners... Midfield would have to be cy lee, Davies, medo, eagles and danns. I dont like the thought of a lone striker because we need a striker for that and Bolton have been missing a proper striker since McGinley...i watch us recently on new years day against boro and I feel sorry for mason as we played long ball to him when the 2 centre halves where towering over him... Our strikers should be eaves and beckford... Sell ngog as he takes up wages and a striker spot and at this moment in time we need both
Liam Waterworth
I have said several times we should go 352 but there is no way it is going to happen. This week would be the time, that would shock forest and maybe scupper their game plan particularly as they have no strikers to speak of.
Boltongav
Mike, I think we all know how bad things are, I certainly do and like you get shot down for mentioning it. I do think most of the guys here with one or two exceptions know we have the fourth highest debt in British football. We can see the problems on the pitch. We can see the lack of any tactical nous. The generally poor substitutions (although I think he nailed it against Blackpool) The lack of any sign of decent youth product. We all I think agree there is an unhealthy situation at board level. It comes to something when the biggest cheers and anticipation is for the half time entertainment. However despite all that we have to look at the possible situations, the maybes, the what ifs, because if not and their is no hope and a future in the lower leagues is what awaits then not only can we do little about it but we may as well enjoy the here and now in any way we can.
Boltongav
Mike - are people not allowed to discuss other issues?? Maybe we should talk about the level of debt, i dont think anyone has mentioned that for a while! You say you are saddened by the fact that we are not talking about the poor league position? Get a grip, the only solution you offer to our problems is spend money good after bad to get back into the PL (great plan!) and get rid of the manager. We do those and we are flying eh!? The debt isnt going away, neither are Davies/Gartside/Freedman. No one is expecting things to 'suddenly improve' (although cast your mind back less than a year when things 'suddenly improved') but we can talk about our opinions on how things can be improved on the pitch, hence the 442/4231/352 debates, hence the debates about Mason and his suitability/ability/contribution to the team, etc. Dont cry too much into your coffee it might overflow!
moonpig1
its a great debate and lets talk about everything, even the tears flowing into my coffee. Apologies if my frustration boiled over, not sure that I would be discussing changing the wallpaper or re arranging the furniture if my house was burning down around me - it comes down to priorities.
aussie mike
Mike, I think we all know how bad things are, I certainly do and like you get shot down for mentioning it. I do think most of the guys here with one or two exceptions know we have the fourth highest debt in British football. We can see the problems on the pitch. We can see the lack of any tactical nous. The generally poor substitutions (although I think he nailed it against Blackpool) The lack of any sign of decent youth product. We all I think agree there is an unhealthy situation at board level. It comes to something when the biggest cheers and anticipation is for the half time entertainment. However despite all that we have to look at the possible situations, the maybes, the what ifs, because if not and their is no hope and a future in the lower leagues is what awaits then not only can we do little about it but we may as well enjoy the here and now in any way we can.
Boltongav
So the priorities are talking about how bad things are and how much debt there is and how inept DF is or how much ubterest we pay Davies or how Gartisde has ruined the club....but not how things can be improved or give any kind of opinion on how we get out of this mess on and off the pitch. I notice you didnt respond to one little aspect of my post...oh sorry, the tears bit. The house isnt burning down Mike, things arent great but they could be a whole lot worse, focus on how things can get better with what we have got. Spending more money and getting rid of the management and board arent happening, get over it and move on. Just think, it could be worse, we could still have QuickQuid!
moonpig1
I have said several times we should go 352 but there is no way it is going to happen. This week would be the time, that would shock forest and maybe scupper their game plan particularly as they have no strikers to speak of.
Boltongav
Does anyone perhaps think that, seeing as Eddie Davies effectively owes the £140+m to himself (he owns both BWFC and Moonshift and one simply owes the other a lot of money), and seeing as his kids don't seem to be quite so supportive of Bolton as he is himself, that if we fail to make the playoffs this year but end up more than 13 points ahead of the relegation zone with one fixture left, ED might put us into administration with his own administrators, wind up Moonshift owing to unpaid debts and send it bankrupt, then buy the club back out of administration for a knockdown price Ken Bates style? It would be lovely if it happened... If we can load up the business side of the club this year it would be a prime time to get it over and done with.
robmoss2k
The debt is out of our hands, the only way of reducing that debt is for a club takeover from a wealthy invested which is not going to happen as someone said we have 1 of the biggest debts in the country.... Or we starting winning games and getting into the premiership, which is a long shot but we are talking tactics for matches, how best to utilise our squad, implement substitutions and how we can make deals in the transfer markets to make our squad stronger, which making our squad stronger and bringing in better players helps us with the promotion fight and that in turn helps with our debt .... So technically we are all talking about debt, just not in such a direct manner and we aren't being a pessimist over it, we are problem solving! And dont be negative to each other, be nice ! After all, we haven't had a bad start to the year with a draw we should of won if zat knight hadn't of had a break in concentration for the 1st 45 mins but actually kept us in the game so to speak in the 2nd half against boro and we won in the FA cup which gives us a bit of cash.... Happy new year indeed !
Liam Waterworth
 

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